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When you understand people (including yourself), you understand everything.
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The Latest Episodes

Pet Peeves at Work for Type 7
You'll learn more about the Enneagram Type 7 strategies and hear from two real-life experiences to help better understand yourself or a teammate.

Co-Worker Compatibility of Type 2 and Type 8
Do Type 2s and Type 8s get along at work? What should each type know about working with each? What should they know about working with someone of the same type? Find out in this episode!

Get Along Better with Your Boss Using the Enneagram
In this episode, we're learning from Joy M. Pederson, Ph.D. founder of Clarity Collective, on how to specifically use the Enneagram in to manage up at work.

Using the Enneagram with Remote Teams
Hear how these two Type 8 co-founders have used the awareness they've gained from the Enneagram to navigate some of the challenges of a fully remote team and to better understand themselves, each others, their team, and their clients.

Starting a Difficult Conversation with Any Enneagram Type
Learn the 5-step formula for having difficult conversations on almost any topic - and what tweaks might need to be made based on the team member's personality style.

What Should You Know About Working with a Type 9
To better understand the Enneagram Type 9, whether for yourself or someone in your life, check out this "case file review" with featured Type 9 guest, Tim Brokopp..

How Race Impacts the Enneagram
Individuals from different racial and cultural backgrounds will have different experiences and perspectives that can affect how they interpret and apply the Enneagram. Life empowerment coach and Enneagram guide, Jessica Denise Dickson provides insight and context to help us expand our understanding and use of the Enneagram.

Internal Family Systems and the Enneagram
In this episode today, you'll get an introduction to using parts work and the IFS model as a way to better understand yourself and what you actually need - and how to incorporate what you've learned about yourself using the Enneagram into that process.

What to Know About Working with a Type 5
Listen in here to hear Type 5 Kathy Farah share about her experience with the Observer energy. Whether you're trying to narrow down your dominant type ...or looking to better understand a Type 5 in your life you'll learn so much in this one!

Enneagram and Burnout
Enneagram coach, speaker, and author, Hillarie Kay shares her insights into what's behind this burnout epidemic and how knowing our Enneagram type can better help navigate through it.

Enneagram for Entrepreneurs
In this episode, you'll learn 9 pieces of the Enneagram to dig into more to uncover specific parts of how your type and your work and creator style can overlap to create a business that fits into your whole life, not the other way around.

Skills and Strengths that Can Sabotage a New Leader
In this interview episode with leadership consultant, executive coach, host of the Women Taking the Lead podcast, keynote speaker, and Type 3, Jodi Flynn, you'll learn one of the biggest mistakes new leaders make, especially women, that can leave them overworked and questioning if they are cut out for this new level of leadership.

A 2 Question Enneagram Test
While tests can be anywhere from 60-90% accurate, they can be a great starting point when you're new to the Enneagram. there is the 2-question Riso-Hudson QUEST Test will help you narrow down your type in less than five minutes with about a 70% accuracy.

Using the Enneagram in Your Job Search
Regardless, of why you're ready, this episode's intention is to help you get ready by focusing on three parts of the job search process and how to apply the Enneagram in each one.

Military Experience and the Enneagram
Inside this special Veteran's Day episode, you'll hear from Army and Air Force Veteran and CEO/Owner of VJ and JJ Property Management in Reno, NV, Vicky Johnson, about how she's noticed her Type 3 or Type 8 Enneagram typing journey impacted by 30-year military career.

Using Therapy (and the Enneagram) to Better Understand Yourself and What You Need
The problem with good advice happens when it may not be great advice for you, for whatever reason. Inside this episode, you'll learn how therapy (and the Enneagram) can help you better understand yourself and what you actually need in a difficult time.

What It's Like Being a Type 4 Entrepreneur
Tiffany Napper is a former Creative Director who produced massive photo shoots for artists like John Legend and Elton John. She's started and ran five successful product and service-based businesses. And now, Tiffany is a Business Coach to creative entrepreneurs who helps her clients make bank without the burnout.

9 Practical Ways Managers and Leaders Can Use the Enneagram
in this episode 83 on the Enneagram MBA podcast, we're using the 2022 Enneagram in Organizations Global Survey to guide this conversation about how managers and leaders can use the Enneagram with their teams.

Using the Enneagram with Co-Founder Dynamics
Nathan shares with us three types of co-founder relationships, looking at both the partnership strengths and possible challenges with that pairing. Regardless of your type, the insights he shares will give you some new things to think about when it comes to better understanding yourself and those that you work with.

Applying Personality Assessments in Real Life
Inside she's sharing how she's applied what she's learned from her personality assessments (some of them being new ones you haven't heard of before!) both at work with her team and clients and in her relationships as a spouse and parent.

How to Fascinate with Your Personality
When you listen in you'll get the overview of the 7 Fascinate Archetypes to help you to start narrowing down your own.

Blending the Enneagram with Your DiSC Style
The DiSC assessment can compliment what you've learned about yourself through the Enneagram by sharing both validating insights and and new perspectives about your preferences and tendencies. Like the Enneagram, it should be used for dialogue, not a diagnosis.

Identify Your Natural Gifts Using CliftonStrengths
Gallup Certified Training Manager, Melissa Moore is our guest expert today on the Enneagram MBA podcast in Episode 78. Inside this conversation you'll get a crash course into the 4 CliftonStrengths Domains: Strategic Thinking, Relationship Building, Execution, and Influencing

What the Kolbe Tells You About How to Grow a Business Your Way
Inside this interview with Elizabeth Cook, Certified Kolbe Consultant she walks us through the 4 areas of our work style we can gain a deeper understanding of:Fact Finding, Follow Thru, Quick Start, Demonstrator.

Getting to Know Yourself Better Using 360 Reviews, Tara Nesser, Type 7
Getting feedback from others can be tremendously helpful in uncovering where you might be running on autopilot in a way that's not serving you, and also what strengths you have you may not realize you have.

Leading with Relationships & Healthy Boundaries, Jahaan Blake Type 2
When you hear the word leader what comes to mind? I'm going to guess, if you're like a lot of people, the initial image wasn't of yourself. Inside today's episode you'll learn how to start operating with a leader mentality and leading from wherever you are now.

Using the Type 3 Energy to Land Your Dream Job with Mollie Lo
Mollie Lo, Type 3, helps millennial women hack the job search process so they can land a career they desire and deserve. Inside, you'll learn about how to find the best job for you and what NOT to do if you're wanting to stand out among all the other candidates.

The Type 2 Leader with Pam Cho, Trek Executive Coaching
Inside this conversation with Pam, you'll learn more about how bringing the outdoors into your business and company can benefit your leadership and your overall life. You'll also learn about the strengths and struggles of an Enneagram Type 2 leader and entrepreneur.

Key Differences of a Type 3 and Type 7
These two types are common "look-alikes" that can get confused by their energetic personalities, future focus, forward moving energy, and positive outlook on life. They both love a good plan, but for different reasons, and both can juggle multiple projects and can get bored easily.

The Difference Between Type 1 and Type 5
The Enneagram Type 1 is known as the Improver, the Reformer, or the Perfectionist, striving to feel perfect, right, and correct. The Enneagram Type 5 is known as the Expert, the Observer, or the Investigator, striving to feel self-sufficient, capable, and informed. Listen in for the key differences.

The Difference Between Type 7 and Type 9
These are two of the most optimistic types on the Enneagram, typically choosing to avoid hard feelings and difficult conversations. Both tend to embellish reality more than the other types, perceiving things better than they really are. Listen in for clues to help you determine the difference.

Relationship Challenges by Enneagram Type
What if you could know right now what the recurring challenges were going to be in your future relationship? Or if you better understand the repeat issues that keep coming up in your current relationship? Natalia Hernandez isn't a mind reader, but she's going to lay it out for us using the Enneagram.

The Difference Between Type 2 and Type 9
The confusion between the Type 2 and Type 9 is probably the most common mistyping pair I personally see in my business. There are a lot of similarities between them including being very service-oriented, others first mentality, friendly, and optimistic.

A Type 6 Entrepreneur
Katie Taylor is a website designer, creative brand strategist, and business mentor who owns the Abundant Collab Co. She helps growing small businesses build from the inside out by simplifying the hustle, increasing, profit, and building happier, sustainable success.

A Type 9 Entrepreneur
The Enneagram Type Nine goes about getting their needs met and avoid pain by striving to feel at peace. Type Nines tend to be relaxed, calm, grounded, inclusive, open-minded, and excellent listeners. That same energy can also fuel passiveness, conflict avoidance, and being out of touch with their own thoughts and opinions.

The Difference Between Type 1 and a Type 4
"Is it possible that your number changes over the years? I remember being a 1 like five or six years ago, and now I did the test just for fun and I'm a 4 apparently (?)"This was such a great question I got over on Instagram the other day.

The Difference Between Type 7 and Type 8
A client of mine had historically thought she was a Type 8, but the more she's learning about the Enneagram the more she's realizing she may actually be a Type 7 with a strong Wing 8.

3 Things a Chris Stapleton Concert Taught Me About Using the Enneagram
What does Chris Stapleton switching out his guitar for every song have to do with applying your Enneagram type in real life? Or how does his 8 person band affect how you think about the Enneagram in general, even if you haven't yet figured out your type?

The Difference Between Type 3 and Type 5
Type 3 is known as The Achiever, The Performer, or The Role Model with a “hustle harder” motto who’s core motive is to be desired and seen as successful. Type 5 is known as The Thinker, The Expert, or The Observer with “I don’t need much, but I need my space” energy.

A Type 5 Entrepreneur
Anji Gray is the founder of the Mahal Method and The New Classic Woman with extensive training and experience in Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP), TIME Techniques™, Hypnotherapy, EFT, Integrative Nutrition Health Coaching, and Energy Work.

The Difference Between Type 2 and Type 3
Both Type 2 and Type 3 are in the Feeling/Heart Center of Intelligence where they have the common emotional struggle of shame due to their focus on their image and how believe they’re viewed by others. But there's some key differences that you'll hear about in this episode.

The Difference Between Type 4 and Type 7
While on the surface these two types look like they couldn’t be more different, they do have some similarities that can cause confusion, especially when we look at the Self Preservation Type 4, sometimes nicknamed, “Sunny.” Listen in to learn about the key differences.

The Difference Between Type 1 and Type 8
Both of these are in the Body/Gut Center of Intelligence and do have some similarities between them. There’s also some key differences that you’ll learn when you listen to help you narrow it down determining the "right" way, being in control, and handling anger.

Enneagram & Sales: Part Two
If you're feeling frustrated with the sales channel of your business, the problem might be more simple to solve than you think. The solution doesn't involve figuring out the "right" platform, the "best" way to offer your services or...how to be "better" at sales. It involves figuring out and sharing the problem that you solve.

The Difference Between Type 6 and Type 9
While this Loyalist/Guardian vs. Peacemaker/Mediator pair can be a common type confusion, there are key differences that can give you more clues into which one your dominant type is.

Enneagram & Sales
JLO has gone all in on her latest movie, Marry Me. She's been talking about the movie in some shape or form for the past 6+ months. We're over a month into post-premiere and she's still hyping it. And there's so much for us to take away from that energy, so we're taking a few plays from JLO's book and learning about your own specific sales style based on your Enneagram type.

What Your Enneagram Type Says About Your Hustle Style
Inside this episode we are are getting into some "current events" - The Kardashians! You'll hear about hustling through the lens of the Enneagram and the different ways we can each experience hustle.

Using Your Orientation to Time in Marketing and Leadership
Listen it today Episode 43 to learn more about what Orientation to Time is, how to find out which one you are, and how it can help you grow and better understand your teams and your buyers.

The Types of Grief No One Talks About
I never thought I'd see the words Grief Coach and Type 7 in a sentence together, so when Olivia Myles reached out and told me which type she most identifies with and what she did in her business, I had to hear more about her and her work.

Leading Like a Type 8 Woman
Leslie Lyons is a Type 8 business strategist and sales coach who believes that the two most important things a leader can understand are how they see themselves and how the world sees them.

Enneagram in Stress
I've heard from other typing clients who were stuck between two types that understanding their stress arrow type was the thing that helped them narrow it down and confirm which type they most identified with.

Enneagram Overview of the 9 Types
You'll learn not only the core fear and core desires that make a type that type, but also learn the different conflict styles, the different energies the types bring to getting their needs met, where they make decisions from and strengths and struggles.
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